Jim Tosch Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 there are never solutions for all problems. But, before feeling sorry for the Panamanian gov remember there are over a hundred thousand Panamanian's in the US, the US gov gives hundreds of millions in aid to Panama every year. Question why Medicaid doesn't cover expats out of the US where care is much cheaper thus saving the US millions. Why do people have to be terminally ill to receive assisted suicide. Why is suicide illegal in the first place. The Panamanian gov has financial problems because Martinelli spent like a drunken sailor not because of expats receiving a very cheap level of care in regional hospitals. Would a solution be a good thing? Yes, so why don't the two govs initiate a health care treaty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Querencia Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 JudyS to look on the positive side. You saved about $7,600 by dropping Part B for 6 years. Putting it towards your $56 per month increase the savings should help pay towards the next 11 years payments. Add a little interest to the savings and it could stretch a year or two longer. I hope I've got this right please someone correct me. It does show how complicated and inter connected all the possible options are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJo Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 3 hours ago, JudyS said: The body has its own agenda. Even if you want to die and are ready, the body hangs on. It is programmed for survival, not philosophy. It will hang on beyond all reason. That is why enlightened states in the U.S. have passed laws to allow assisted suicide, to prevent prolonged, useless suffering when there is no chance of recovery. It is highly unlikely such laws will ever exist in Panama. While this is true that it's highly unlikely such laws will ever exist in Panama, suicide is suicide, why would one need assistance? People commit suicide every day with no help at all. Just saying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJo Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 2 hours ago, Jim Tosch said: there are never solutions for all problems. But, before feeling sorry for the Panamanian gov remember there are over a hundred thousand Panamanian's in the US, the US gov gives hundreds of millions in aid to Panama every year. Question why Medicaid doesn't cover expats out of the US where care is much cheaper thus saving the US millions. Why do people have to be terminally ill to receive assisted suicide. Why is suicide illegal in the first place. The Panamanian gov has financial problems because Martinelli spent like a drunken sailor not because of expats receiving a very cheap level of care in regional hospitals. Would a solution be a good thing? Yes, so why don't the two govs initiate a health care treaty. Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyS Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 10 minutes ago, JoJo said: While this is true that it's highly unlikely such laws will ever exist in Panama, suicide is suicide, why would one need assistance? People commit suicide every day with no help at all. Just saying. Assisted suicide is done gently with drugs. If a person is disabled they might not be able to do it the usual ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Tosch Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Judy S i am getting a good laugh out of the assisted suicide question. It would be reverse evolution. The capable people would die while the idiots would fail. I had an emergency room nurse tell me that I would be shocked how many people blow the whole front of their face off by aiming the gun straight up instead of back into their brain. Women fail more often than men because they use prescription drugs and wake up with a bad hangover a few days later. I think suicide should be easily available for anyone who wants it and it is in one Euro country. But, it is more difficult than you would suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyS Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 1 hour ago, Jim Tosch said: Judy S i am getting a good laugh out of the assisted suicide question. It would be reverse evolution. The capable people would die while the idiots would fail. I had an emergency room nurse tell me that I would be shocked how many people blow the whole front of their face off by aiming the gun straight up instead of back into their brain. Women fail more often than men because they use prescription drugs and wake up with a bad hangover a few days later. I think suicide should be easily available for anyone who wants it and it is in one Euro country. But, it is more difficult than you would suspect. I'm not sure what there is to laugh about here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Tosch Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I find irony funny. Reversing hundreds of thousands of years of evolution by means of stupid laws is a laughing matter to me. The fact that our prisons cannot execute criminals without screwing it up with Doctors in charge is beyond belief. A large percentage of people cannot get suicide right which is strong evidence that suicide may be their best choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Tosch Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 and one more, everyone wants to go to heaven but they will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and suffer through horrible medical care to keep from going there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottie Atwater Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Expatriation involves more than health insurance. Here's a good site: http://www.thecultureblend.com/?p=2172 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyS Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 On 11/15/2015, 3:45:55, Bonnie said: Gloria Detresno detresno@usa.net 6615-6391 Gloria and her husband Pedro are simply the best. I went to her on the recommendation of Penny Barrett and have never been happier with service. They even come to your house to deliver documents and collect payments. What is the name of this insurance so I can look it up? I don't want to call an agent until I get some more information. I might be too old for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottie Atwater Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Other than car insurance, what other types of insurance does Gloria sell? I have car insurance with her and I, too, love her! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penny Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Gloria can sell you any kind of insurance as she is an independent agent. I buy my homeowner's and contents insurance from her. She can also sell health insurance. She and Pedro are the best. They've rescued me from car trouble on more than one occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnie Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 7 hours ago, JudyS said: What is the name of this insurance so I can look it up? I don't want to call an agent until I get some more information. I might be too old for it. Worldwide Medical Assurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bakke Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 My wife & I subscribe to WW Medical. Over the past two years, premiums for my wife & I have risen by about $500 per year. Just something to be aware of - good health insurance is NOT cheap. For us, about $7,000 per year for a policy with $5,000 deductible. Your mileage may vary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Woolford Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 On 11/19/2015, 8:56:28, Jim Tosch said: there are never solutions for all problems. But, before feeling sorry for the Panamanian gov remember there are over a hundred thousand Panamanian's in the US, the US gov gives hundreds of millions in aid to Panama every year. Question why Medicaid doesn't cover expats out of the US where care is much cheaper thus saving the US millions. Why do people have to be terminally ill to receive assisted suicide. Why is suicide illegal in the first place. The Panamanian gov has financial problems because Martinelli spent like a drunken sailor not because of expats receiving a very cheap level of care in regional hospitals. Would a solution be a good thing? Yes, so why don't the two govs initiate a health care treaty. Jim, apart from funding to help fight the war on drugs, under which programs does the U.S. currently give hundreds of millions of dollars to Panama? "In 2012, Panama joined Chile, South Korea, and Poland as countries that have successfully reached the point at which they can propel their own development without the need for significant U.S. assistance." https://www.usaid.gov/where-we-work/latin-american-and-caribbean/panama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Tosch Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I find irony funny. Reversing hundreds of thousands of years of evolution by means of stupid laws is a laughing matter to me. The fact that our prisons cannot execute criminals without screwing it up with Doctors in charge is beyond belief. A large percentage of people cannot get suicide right which is strong evidence that suicide may be their best choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Tosch Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Keith, do you really want to make me go to work? I am going to take the easy way out. Take a look at the defense system In Panama. It is completely covered by satellite and marine defense. Last year the Us gave 300 million to Panama, Confession time, much of this is for the stupid drug regime imposed by the US. But, all considered, the US is the most important source of income that PAnama has, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottie Atwater Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 On 11/19/2015, 8:30:28, JudyS said: The body has its own agenda. Even if you want to die and are ready, the body hangs on. It is programmed for survival, not philosophy. It will hang on beyond all reason. That is why enlightened states in the U.S. have passed laws to allow assisted suicide, to prevent prolonged, useless suffering when there is no chance of recovery. It is highly unlikely such laws will ever exist in Panama. And how many states in the US allow assisted suicide? Two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottie Atwater Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 2 hours ago, Keith Woolford said: Jim, apart from funding to help fight the war on drugs, under which programs does the U.S. currently give hundreds of millions of dollars to Panama? "In 2012, Panama joined Chile, South Korea, and Poland as countries that have successfully reached the point at which they can propel their own development without the need for significant U.S. assistance." https://www.usaid.gov/where-we-work/latin-american-and-caribbean/panama Wars on everything to distract the people from the fact that the US government is BROKE, DEAD BROKE. War on drugs, war on terror, war on poverty...nice words about "wars" that have never been won and never will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnie Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 2 hours ago, Jim Tosch said: Keith, do you really want to make me go to work? I am going to take the easy way out. Take a look at the defense system In Panama. It is completely covered by satellite and marine defense. Last year the Us gave 300 million to Panama, Confession time, much of this is for the stupid drug regime imposed by the US. But, all considered, the US is the most important source of income that PAnama has, Sez who? Yes, I for one would like some citations to these claims. The "drug war" doesn't "benefit" Panama. It is part of a global effort and supports not Panama but what the U.S. government misguidedly believes to be good public policy. I also would venture to say that any defense systems the U.S. has created here benefit U.S. interests in keeping the canal open and U.S. interests secure. The U.S. may or may not have invested $300 million dollars in this effort, but, if it did, it was to protect its own interests, not to aid in the development of Panama. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottie Atwater Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 10 hours ago, Bonnie said: Sez who? Yes, I for one would like some citations to these claims. The "drug war" doesn't "benefit" Panama. It is part of a global effort and supports not Panama but what the U.S. government misguidedly believes to be good public policy. I also would venture to say that any defense systems the U.S. has created here benefit U.S. interests in keeping the canal open and U.S. interests secure. The U.S. may or may not have invested $300 million dollars in this effort, but, if it did, it was to protect its own interests, not to aid in the development of Panama. Amen, Bonnie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Woolford Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Sorry Jim, but I just can't buy this statement: "But, all considered, the US is the most important source of income that PAnama has," As far as I can see, the U.S. doesn't contribute any $ here that don't go to further it's own agendas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Tosch Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I don't think many countries ever give aid except to further their own agenda. However self-serving aid is still aid. The fact that the US invests in keeping the canal safe is critically important to Panama. Ironically, the main threat to the canal is the fact that it is so important to the US.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger B Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 On 11/19/2015 8:30:28, JudyS said: The body has its own agenda. Even if you want to die and are ready, the body hangs on. It is programmed for survival, not philosophy. It will hang on beyond all reason. That is why enlightened states in the U.S. have passed laws to allow assisted suicide, to prevent prolonged, useless suffering when there is no chance of recovery. It is highly unlikely such laws will ever exist in Panama. It has been interesting for me that it is considered "human" if you have a farm animal like a horse, house pet, etc i to place them "to sleep" because they are having terrible suffering from their disease, illness or wounds but that same "human" treatment is not given to person who have terminal disease and are suffering to much with pain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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