Bonnie Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 The point is being missed. What Keith is saying is that the "expensive Jubilado process" is one of several residency visas that serve as a vetting tool. Going straight to an E Cedula would result in no vetting whatsoever of permanent residents. In all the complaining about how difficult and expensive that initial step is, has anyone considered that the alternative would be to welcome criminals and persons of insufficient means to contribute to the country's economy but, rather, be a drain on its limited resources? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoSailors Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnie Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Marie suggests that it would be nice to skip the jubilado visa process, which is expensive, and go straight to the E Cedula. But it is the jubilado visa (and other indefinite residency visas) that weeds out persons unsuitable for residency. Without this vetting, Panama would stand the risk of being inundated with undesirables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyS Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) edit mistake Edited July 24, 2017 by JudyS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyS Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Bonnie said: Marie suggests that it would be nice to skip the jubilado visa process, which is expensive, and go straight to the E Cedula. But it is the jubilado visa (and other indefinite residency visas) that weeds out persons unsuitable for residency. Without this vetting, Panama would stand the risk of being inundated with undesirables. Una canasta de deplorables? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Doug Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Every nation is entitled to enforce its borders, and determine which foreigners are allowed to enter. If you have a front door with a lock you use, you understand the concept. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarieElaine Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 My suggestion was not meant to be taken seriously folks! I would never want "deplorables" living next to me in or out of a basket. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Moderator_02 Posted May 28, 2020 Moderators Share Posted May 28, 2020 Quote TE anuncia vigencia de cédulas por 15 años y reducción de costos por duplicados José Garibaldi • 28 May 2020 - 12:45 PM El Tribunal Electoral (TE) de Panamá anunció que desde el 1 de junio del 2020 se realizarán cambios en la expedición de las cédulas y carnés de residentes panameños (extranjeros), los que incluyen una vigencia de 10 a 15 años y reducción en el costo de los duplicados. Moderator comment: Below is an unedited automated translation of the above news article. Quote TE announces validity of IDs for 15 years and reduction of costs in duplicates <<cedulas.jpg>> José Garibaldi • May 28, 2020 - 12:45 PM The Electoral Tribunal (TE) of Panama announced that from June 1, 2020, changes will be made in the issuance of the certificates and cards of Panamanian residents (foreigners), which include a validity of 10 to 15 years and reduction in cost of duplicates. https://www.telemetro.com/nacionales/2020/05/28/te-anuncia-vigencia-de-cedulas-por-15-anos-y-reduccion-de-costos-por-duplicados/2901186.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Moderator_02 Posted May 29, 2020 Moderators Share Posted May 29, 2020 Quote Cédulas y carnés de residencia tendrán validez por 15 años Aminta Bustamante 29 may 2020 - 12:00 AM El Tribunal Electoral se prepara para reiniciar los servicios de cédulas. Gabriel Rodríguez Los jóvenes que necesitan sacar su cédula por primera vez y a quienes les toca renovar este documento de identidad personal deberán pactar una cita a través de la web del Tribunal Electoral (TE): tribunal-electoral.gob.pa. Las citas podrán gestionarse desde el próximo lunes 8 de junio, anunció ayer Gilberto Estrada, director nacional de Cedulación del TE, quien explicó en conferencia de prensa que la atención al público se dará en la sede principal de la entidad en el corregimiento de Ancón. Las citas, según dijo, serán a la hora pactada, por lo que se requiere puntualidad. Esto, con el propósito de evitar aglomeraciones y evitar contagios de coronavirus. Vigencia El funcionario anunció, además, que desde el próximo lunes 1 de junio los nuevos documentos de identidad personal que se expidan, así como el carné de residencia permanente para extranjeros, tendrán una vigencia de 15 años y no de 10 años, como en la actualidad. “Todo documento de identidad personal o carné de extranjero que se emita a partir del 1 de junio tendrá vigencia de 15 años”, precisó Estrada, al tiempo que señaló que las cédulas y carnés emitidos con anterioridad continuarán con la vigencia que cada documento indica, salvo las vencidas o por vencer hasta el mes de junio, que han sido prorrogadas por razón de la pandemia hasta el 30 del próximo mes. Es decir, que si su cédula tiene una vigencia de 10 años no será alterada, ya que el aumento a 15 años es para quienes toque renovar o sacar por primera vez sus documentos de identidad. Igualmente, se estableció que las cédulas juveniles seguirán teniendo vigencia de cinco años y su costo se mantendrá en $4. Reducen costos Estrada manifestó que por la situación que vive el país producto de la crisis sanitaria por el coronavirus, los magistrados del TE, en pleno, decidieron reducir los costos de los duplicados de los documentos de identidad personal de panameños y extranjeros. La primera vez que se saque un duplicado por la pérdida del documento costará $15 (como ahora), pero el precio de los duplicados a partir de la segunda se unificará en $25. Hoy, cuesta $35 la segunda vez y, a partir de ahí, el precio llega $48. También se anunció la reducción en el costo de los duplicados del carné de residente que se expide a los extranjeros. Si bien cuando se emitan por primera vez seguirán costando $65, el costo único de los duplicados a partir de la tercera vez será de $50. En la actualidad, cuesta $50 la primera vez, $60 la segunda y $70 la tercera. También se anunció que se mantendrá el descuento del 50% en la expedición de documentos personales a las personas de la tercera edad. Moderator comment: Below is an unedited automated translation of the above news article. Quote Certificates and residence cards will be valid for 15 years Aminta Bustamante May 29, 2020 - 12:00 AM <<OHSK6OLIIVFRPKQLRRLD57OEZI.jpg>> The Electoral Tribunal is preparing to restart the certificate services. Gabriel Rodriguez Young people who need to get their ID for the first time and who have to renew this personal identity document must make an appointment through the website of the Electoral Tribunal (TE): tribunal-electoral.gob.pa. Appointments can be arranged from next Monday, June 8, Gilberto Estrada, national director of Cedulation of TE, announced yesterday, who explained at a press conference that attention to the public will be given at the entity's headquarters in the Ancón district. Appointments, he said, will be at the agreed time, so punctuality is required. This, in order to avoid crowds and avoid coronavirus infections. Validity The official also announced that from next Monday, June 1, the new personal identity documents that are issued, as well as the permanent residence card for foreigners, will be valid for 15 years and not 10 years, as at present . "All personal identity document or foreigner card issued from June 1 will be valid for 15 years," said Estrada, while noting that previously issued IDs and cards will continue with the validity that each document indicates, except for those expired or to expire until June, which have been extended due to the pandemic until the 30th of next month. In other words, if your ID is valid for 10 years, it will not be altered, since the increase to 15 years is for those who have to renew or take out their identity documents for the first time. Likewise, it was established that the youth identification cards will continue to be valid for five years and their cost will remain at $ 4. Reduce costs Estrada said that due to the situation that the country is experiencing as a result of the coronavirus health crisis, the TE magistrates, in full, decided to reduce the costs of duplicating the personal identity documents of Panamanians and foreigners. The first time a duplicate is taken out for the loss of the document it will cost $ 15 (as now), but the price of duplicates from the second will be unified at $ 25. Today, it costs $ 35 the second time, and from there, the price reaches $ 48. The reduction in the cost of duplicates of the resident card issued to foreigners was also announced. While they will still cost $ 65 when first issued, the one-time cost for duplicates starting the third time will be $ 50. Today, it costs $ 50 the first time, $ 60 the second, and $ 70 the third. It was also announced that the 50% discount on the issuance of personal documents to the elderly will be maintained. https://www.prensa.com/impresa/panorama/cedulas-y-carnes-de-residencia-tendran-validez-por-15-anos/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BD Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Moderator_02 said: Appointments, he said, will be at the agreed time, so punctuality is required. Let's wait and see how this works in a country with a manana culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Woolford Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 I see these proposals as positive changes in regards to efficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Moderator_02 Posted May 29, 2020 Moderators Share Posted May 29, 2020 Quote ID card validity extended to 15 years Posted 28/05/2020 The validity of the personal identity card (cedula) has been extended from 10 to 15 years for Panamanians and foreign residents and the price will drop from Monday,June 1 . The cost of for the first time remains at $15 and replacement will be $25. Previously, the cost was $35 and $48 The card for resident foreigners will be $65 when you first get it and for the next one you will have to pay an additional $50 said a Thursday May 28 Electoral Tribunal announcement. https://www.newsroompanama.com/news/id-card-validity-extended-to-15-years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Johnson Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 If you only have a pensionado visa you are required to carry your passport with you at all times according to Panamanian law. If you have an E- cedula you do not since it is considered a government issued Identification card. A pensionado visa is not considered an identification card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hil Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 E-Cedula is for permenant residency and I.D. card. Permenant Tourist visa is a valid I.D. card for the governments identification and used for jubilado discounts just as the E-Cedula is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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