Keith Woolford Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 The proposed Crematorium in Chiriqui has been held up for a long time by the protests of residents in the area where it was to be constructed. http://impresa.prensa.com/nacionales/San-Pablo-instalacion-sala-cremacion_0_4174082597.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Woolford Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 press photos of protests last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelyn Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Looks like a protest based on lack of knowledge with fear of the unknown being the driving element. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WryAwry Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 These inchoate protests really burn me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 22 hours ago, Keith Woolford said: press photos of protests last year Where is their scientific evidence? I think these protesters should be made to prove the claims posted on their signs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Woolford Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Coughin' from Coffins The Potential Hazards of Crematorium Emissions This is an informative (and humorous) essay on the subject. https://www.southernct.edu/academics/wac/honorable_mention_w_contest_2013.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelyn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Keith: I read "Coughing from Coffins" essay. Learned crematorium emissions "might be dangerous" and in ground burial is too expensive. Is the solution Don't Die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WryAwry Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 8 hours ago, Marcelyn said: Keith: I read "Coughing from Coffins" essay. Learned crematorium emissions "might be dangerous" and in ground burial is too expensive. Is the solution Don't Die? Science has catalogued numerous physiological complications resulting from a wide variety of chemical compounds that are routinely utilized to color fabrics and textiles. Don't dye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esther Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 (edited) 16 hours ago, Pat said: Where is their scientific evidence? I think these protesters should be made to prove the claims posted on their signs. What a naïve and foolish thing to say - like the protesters have an obligation to prove it to you Pat. Edited April 29, 2016 by Esther clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Esther: You, like me, have a right to your opinion. Please don't attack me ("naive and foolish") because my view of this situation is different from yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnF13 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Too many protest groups get away with stuff because they make outlandish claims that " x" causes " y" without any proof. But when proponents want to go ahead the protestors claim that proof is needed from them. Level the playing field, if you want to claim that emissions cause cancer or whatever, state your case along with peer reviewed proof. That works both ways, but the responsibility lies with the group making the original claim, not the other way around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoSailors Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Good point JohnF13. Keith great info. It amazes me with the stuff you come up with. It was very educational. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger B Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 It is very common that when there are some interests of a particular group of persons and some of them are called "green people" against a business, power tower, cell phone tower, etc. they look in the internet for articles and writtings claiming that the particular business they are opposing will cause damage health in different ways. So those people organize meetings at the community and spread the rumour about the damage that business will make to the community and they model the community opinion toward that particular business. Their final action is to organize demonstrations on the streets to protest against that particular business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Woolford Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Panama America is reporting this morning that the protesters in San Pablo Viejo have been successful and the crematorium will not be built where it was proposed. Decision Court notifies MiAmbiente The regional director of the Ministry of Environment in Chiriqui, Yilka Aguirre, confirmed that it was notified by the Superior Court of Justice of the admission of amparo guarantees, that orders the suspension of the project. "Effectively the Superior Court of Justice notified me about the resolution, which leaves without effect the environmental impact study that leaves without effect the construction and location of the incinerator," said the official. Given this step, the Ministry of the environment is outside the item because under guarantees and is only to comply with the provision that provides for the suspension of the work on a temporary basis. The project should look for another place and have a new environmental impact study where intend to build the incinerator of corpses." The full article is here http://www.panamaamerica.com.pa/provincias/mas-de-mil-habitantes-de-san-pablo-viejo-ganan-batalla-ante-incinerador-1024173 freetranslation.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WryAwry Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Keith Woolford said: Panama America is reporting this morning that the protesters in San Pablo Viejo have been successful and the crematorium will not be built where it was proposed. Decision Court notifies MiAmbiente The regional director of the Ministry of Environment in Chiriqui, Yilka Aguirre, confirmed that it was notified by the Superior Court of Justice of the admission of amparo guarantees, that orders the suspension of the project. "Effectively the Superior Court of Justice notified me about the resolution, which leaves without effect the environmental impact study that leaves without effect the construction and location of the incinerator," said the official. Given this step, the Ministry of the environment is outside the item because under guarantees and is only to comply with the provision that provides for the suspension of the work on a temporary basis. The project should look for another place and have a new environmental impact study where intend to build the incinerator of corpses." The full article is here http://www.panamaamerica.com.pa/provincias/mas-de-mil-habitantes-de-san-pablo-viejo-ganan-batalla-ante-incinerador-1024173 freetranslation.com Plans have been buried ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnF13 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Un- urned critisism 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Woolford Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 I bet the owner is fuming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Just sharing here. My initial reaction to the protest was less than nice. Then I did some moderately deep research because of a comment made to me in private by one CL member. Yes, there is fringe loonie component to some of the opposition literature, but I found what appears to me to be legitimate scientific documentation about the risks to humans (living humans, that is) based on the incineration of toxic elements found in the human body. One for instance is that as little as one gram of mercury (such as that contained in dental fillings, for instance) can be toxic when raised to the temperatures used in the cremation process. And it is not uncommon for some people to have as much as four grams of mercury in their body. These issues/risks, meaning toxic fumes, can be controlled or mitigated by proper design, filtering, and operating procedures. That would, of course, raise the costs involved, both in the building of the infrastructure as well as in the operation of a crematorium. It then could (should?) be a business decision as to economic viability. The above comments ignore the emotional elements and the cosmetic elements of this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxJohn Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I see that on May 24th at Boquete's Tuesday Morning the subject of the talk will be about the crematorium. Tuesday, May 24 – Jose Arias will speak his business Memorial Group which owns a private cemetery a new funeral home and his brand new crematorium in David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WryAwry Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 In deference to the emotionally-fraught necessity to develop a dignified and environmentally sensitive means of gently and responsibly handling human remains, research scientists have invented the Human Cannonball (tm) device to assist with long-range burial-at-sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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