Dennis Philpot

The family may qualify for Buenos Vecinos assistance. And if there is a way to personally help financially maybe let us know.

My girlfriend Mara's brother was one of the men who died and the last to be identified. I'm told that passengers normally tried to sit as near the emergency exit as possible, but in this case that strategy worked against survival. Mara's brother didn't make it partially because he waited to help a pregnant woman escape. As the article mentions, no compensation to the families of the victims. And as many of us have experienced, while the transport system might now be somewhat improved, many of the drivers driving methods and attention to safety have not.

I also have wondered why there's no enforcement of speed limits or dangerous driving in Bajo Boquete. Since I walk around the area a few times each day, I always see lots of craziness -- even cars passing Policia. I've also had lots of driving to and from David and up and down the PAH, so have seen all the situations and even experienced getting a ticket. But the lack of concern in so many areas is confounding.

My career before retiring was in global sales and marketing for a large multi-national health care equipment company. Spent lots of road time in Asia and Latin America, as well as US and Europe. In China, as an example, the rule of thumb seemed to be "if you're not cheating, you're not trying". Corruption often exists so deep in the layers of a culture, that it's hard to find whistle blowers, but easy to find folks who know what is going on and how things work. But at the end of the day, the winning value that allows corruption to exist, is based mainly in the materialist world view. A corrupt official or decision maker thinks they don't have or make "enough". So they can be corrupted, since the next level provider (maybe a sales person or distributor or other actor in the chain) needs to make enough (money, or make the plan or the quota or whatever). Then the next level in the chain, maybe the manufacturer or core provider of the product or service in another country (maybe a place with strong laws against corruption and a more advanced "moral culture"), makes sure they don't want to know how deals get done at the end user level, since they have investors and a financial constituency to answer to, and any hint of corruption being part of the material chain they exist in must remain silent. So, anyway, there's a long and deep chain of participants involved in any corruption scheme and it always goes back to a materialistic world view. And unfortunately the really good alternative world views are not well known or understood. But it could start with anyone trying to figure out for themselves, when is enough stuff enough. Sorry for spouting off with a long post. Too long to proof check for errors :-).

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No need to go to David to see poor diet habits. These choices abound at many popular places in Boquete. And it is heartbreaking, as you say, to see the effects, though these are not limited to the indigenous or Panamanian folks.

This is always a timely topic, now matter where one lives in what might be considered developing areas. For those interested in getting involved in helping the local indigenous families as well as the poorer Panamanian families, with either money or time or efforts or all, one of the local opportunities is with Buenos Vecinos de Boquete -- http://www.buenosvecinosdeboquete.com/. If, after viewing the website, you decide to take part in a food packing day (next one this Thursday, 3/29) you'll get to see some of the nutritional foods given to 100 or so families each month. And if you then decide to take part in one of the many food delivery efforts later that day, you'll get to experience a slice of the life of these families (may entail hikes or drives into areas off the beaten path), who are so grateful for these small monthly gifts and the kids who have no idea that they are "poor". Hope you can join us sometime, and if you do, at least for the first few visits, it's best to leave your "shoulds and shouldn'ts" behind.

Good for Feeley for honoring his conscience. Down on the ground, here in Panama, there are some consequences for US expats to the Trump "shithole" doctrine (even though it was only verbalized publicly yesterday). For me it has meant that my Panamanian girlfriend / partner (who will join me in Boquete in a few days) has been denied a travel visa to the U.S. We had planned a 10-14 day trip to introduce her to my family and friends, but that trip now won't happen. After paying the fee and submitting the required documents she was "awarded" an interview with a U.S. representative. And in spite of the fact that she had previously had a 10 year U.S. visa when her work required U.S. travel, and that she owns her home in Panama City, and that her son and three grandchildren all reside in Panama, the visa was denied apparently because she (African descended by the way) was deemed a risk to stay in the US beyond our travel plan. Apparently the interviewer said something to the effect that once she and I boarded a flight, either or both could fall in love with some other person and that she was therefore a risk too great for US entry. In the frame of reference of so many other much more important issues going on in the world. she and I will easily survive this situation. But for those of you who find important relationships in Panama, don't count on being able to share them with your US bound loved ones.

Thanks to both of you very much. Maps take a little of the adventure out of a trip, but add to it by making side trip plans easier. The last time I used one was when I drove from San Jose, CA, USA to Panama City in 1972. Now I'll get to know Panama a little better. Much appreciated.

Does anyone know if and where I could purchase a large, fold-out, Panama road map? I know this sounds old-fashioned, and I could get pieces on-line and print a a bunch of pages, but I hope to find a new version of such a fold out map. Thanks in advance if anyone has an answer. Dennis

Personally, when folks ask me, I say if you're happy where you are now then you'll likely be happy here. Moving for a loved one or to save money make sense to me. Moving to be happier doesn't. And I too read all the information cited in this thread.

I either walk or drive by the center 2-3 times each day and there is activity. I've mostly seen the build up of trash, but sometimes see a big truck coming to pick up some things. Glad I don't live near the place, but I guess it's just one of the beauty and beast things that makes Boquete (and the world I guess). But they seem to be providing a service to some.

Great question. My answer is I know what I like and what I like to spend. The local places or tipicos fit my palate and budget (though most meals are at home). The menu at this new place does not -- even for those times when I'm looking for something special (and healthy). But I do hope you enjoy and share the experiences.

Glad to see the menu to save a trip. Too expensive and unhealthy for me. But the Sunday movies might still be a go for me when I'm in town.

Personally I'm ok with enforcement of these documentation regulations, even if they are really more like a local fund raising effort. What I still don't understand is why speeding and reckless driving are OK within and around Bajo Boquete -- up to at least 80+ mph in the early morning, with cars passing police vehicles and police motorcycles with no concern from said police, with no lights on at 6am, with passengers and students in these taxis and school busses.